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Do Consumers Want It To Take All Day To Buy A Car?

May 14, 2012 By Arnold Tijerina

I answered a question posed on Quora about 6 months ago. The question was:

Why does it take so long at a dealership to buy a new car?

“Once the price is agreed on, the loan or lease is approved and they have your down payment, why do new car dealerships drag the car buying process out by making you talk to sales managers, account managers, loan managers, etc. etc.  and have you sit and wait for their people to sign paperwork.  Used car dealers don’t seem to do this.  Why is buying or leasing a new car a multi-hour inconvenience for the customer?”

My answer was as follows:

“In many cases, it only has to do with the inefficiency which that dealership is run. Typically, all these people are talking to you so that you don’t get upset for the wait so they’re just trying to keep you busy. They may also be waiting for a response from banks about the loan (keep in mind that many sales managers base the interest rate on their knowledge of what the banks will “probably” give you and not until a deal is accepted do they actually input all of your information and send it to the bank for an official approval. Whether they do this will depend on your credit.) They also have to get the vehicle ready for you to take delivery. This entails a thorough washing and detailing as well as putting gas in the vehicle. The finance manager has to get all the paperwork ready for you as well. There are many factors that could be a reason why you have to wait BUT many dealerships nowadays have made the process more efficient for customers as they know that many people feel like you so they are making their processes more efficient so that your experience is more pleasant.”

A new answer was posted a couple of days ago that floored me:

“I feel your pain… but unfortunately I think most people like the fact that it takes so long, and that’s part of why dealerships continue to do so.

Buying a brand new car is a big deal and has huge significance economically and, more importantly, culturally.  I don’t think most new car buyers would be happy if it was as simple as swiping their credit card at the grocery store (though I would be) because they might have buyers remorse immediately after… things wouldn’t add up… this is such a huge deal, why didn’t it feel like it?

By taking all day, and exhausting you, I think they lessen the chances that you will change your mind or be unhappy with the purchase… because it’s going to feel like you just ran a marathon… and no one will walk away feeling like their big day wasn’t just that.

Also they love having you in the dealership all day, it’s the perfect way to maximize their chances of selling you add-ons with your purchase and have you look at your next dream car.”

It certainly wasn’t an answer I was expecting. (The person who answered is a mechanic but it’s unclear whether he’s an independent or at a dealership.) Personally, I always wanted to complete a transaction as quickly as possible (both when I was on the floor and while in the internet department) and had no interest in being tied up with one customer all day. It never crossed my mind that a consumer may actually want it to take all day to complete the transaction.

Do you think there’s any merit to his theory that consumers WANT (or NEED) to take all day buying a car to emotionally satisfy their large purchase?

Filed Under: Automotive, Editorial, Sales Tagged With: Automotive, editorial, quora, Sales

How to: Spam People on Facebook

April 23, 2012 By Arnold Tijerina

Social media is all about engagement. The option to “friend” someone or “like” a business’ page exists to enhance the user’s experience and present to them only what they have chosen to see and engage with. If you choose not to engage with someone, you simply don’t accept their friend request. YOU choose which business’ Facebook page you are interested in having information delivered to you.

Imagine if Facebook were completely open. “Friends” didn’t exist. You saw every status update from every person on Facebook and every business. Facebook would cease to exist except maybe as a search engine. There would be too much noise. Facebook even recognizes this by filtering status updates for you and providing you with the option to create lists of people so that you can not only tailor who sees any particular piece of content but so you can easily filter out status updates and content into subgroups of your friends.

Then came Facebook groups. Initially, I thought this was a splendid idea. The ability to create an open or private group of individuals who share like interests and who can interact with each other without having to “friend” any group member. It offered a convenient way of sharing via a group Facebook e-mail address and, at the time, it was one of the only noise-reduction alternatives on Facebook.

Facebook groups has now become a convenient way to spam people in your social network against their permission. The ability to add people to groups without their consent has become not only a nuisance but, I believe, has actually decreased the value and allure of groups. I cringe whenever people add me to a Facebook group because 1) it irritates me that people can be presumptuous enough to choose what I’m interested in seeing and 2) because Facebook in their infinite wisdom chose to make the default notifications via e-mail on.

I belong to several Facebook groups. The groups I belong to are through my choice and consist of people and content I am interested in. I can’t belong to every group in existence, nor do I want to. Imagine if businesses could choose whether you liked their page or not. There would be many businesses who would just add everyone on Facebook and leave it up to each person to unlike it.

To compound matters, there are some people who will not only add me to a group, but after I LEAVE the group, will RE-ADD me.

It’s presumptuous and arrogant to take it upon yourself to decide for others where their interests lie. By doing this, you make yourself no different than the person who decided everyone you know could benefit from Viagra.

… and there’s a word for people who do that: spammer.

Filed Under: Best Practices, Editorial, Internet, Marketing, Social Media Tagged With: Facebook, groups, Social Media, spam

NADA 2012: Day Four Recap – Final Day

February 9, 2012 By Arnold Tijerina

By Day 4 of NADA, I was totally wiped. Between walking the exhibit hall, networking, and night-time adventures, I didn’t have a lot of gas left.

Day 4 in the exhibit hall had me looking for some cool swag for my daughter. Not many booths had “kid” swag (lighty-blinky things, etc. A lot of footballs but not much else). In my treasure hunt, I managed to get a caricature done courtesy of Jack Behar and the VisuallyLinked booth, a DealerTrack 1/24 scale die-cast car, some autographs with Playmates at the Aspen Marketing booth and more.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I managed to make it until I won this huge bear from the CUDL booth:

Won me a big bear at the CUDL booth at NADA

Walking around the exhibit hall with that huge bear got me a mixture of strange looks, smiles, queries as to how I was getting it home (I drove) and monetary offers but I was taking this home to my 5-year old daughter. (Man, was I a hero when I got home.) In the end, at about 2:30, I had to go back to my hotel room just to drop this off. I took a load off my feet and **BAM** I was out. I woke up right as former President George W. Bush was speaking. I was bummed to miss that.

I was invited to dinner with 3Birds Marketing that evening and we went to a delicious Thai restaurant. Afterwards, I needed to make a stop at the Caesars Palace Forum Shops. As the store closed its doors, they allowed someone in to shop privately. It happened to be Floyd Mayweather Jr.!! It was him and I, the store employees and his bodyguards (although I dont know why he needs bodyguards). Got to say “Hi” to him but I succeeded in restraining myself in asking for a picture with him.

After that, it was off to the Imperial Palace Karaoke Club. I typically visit at least once every time I’m in Vegas and it so happened that, earlier that day, Shaun Raines of DrivingSales tweeted out an impromptu industry karaoke party. Some of the 3Birds Marketing crew were there as were some ReachLocal people. It was a blast, as always. Rob Fontano KILLED the songs he sang. Dude even had a freakin’ harmonica in his pocket and played it during his songs. Are you kidding me?!?! I’ve NEVER seen someone whip out a harmonica during karaoke. Check it out:

Then, Shaun stepped up and did a duet with the DJ:

Great people. Good times.

To summarize, this NADA was the best experience I’ve had at a conference and the first major industry event in the last couple of years in which I wasn’t working in some way or another. Between all the celebrities, events, parties, swag, gifts from heaven, networking, and sessions…. I sincerely felt charmed the whole time. Thank  you to NADA, God, the Lucky Charms leprechaun, and all those that made this convention so wonderful for me.

If you’d like to see some of the pictures I took (102 on display), you can view them HERE.

Oh, and remember that eBay Motors party I told you about in my Day Two Recap? I’ll leave you with some ice, ice, baby.

 

 

Filed Under: Automotive, Editorial, Industry Events, personal experience Tagged With: 2012, 3Birds Marketing, CUDL, DealerTrack, drivingsales, ebay motors, Imperial Palace, karaoke, las vegas, Nada, ReachLocal, Rob Fontano, Shaun Raines, Vanilla Ice, VisuallyLinked

NADA 2012: Day Three Recap

February 6, 2012 By Arnold Tijerina

Sunday saw a lot of meetings, and running into (and trying to connect with) people. The exhibit hall was in full swing and jumping. The day was destined to be short because the Super Bowl started at 3:30pm here and all the parties were starting at 2:30pm.

We went to what, in my opinion, was the best Super Bowl party ever! eBay Motors set up the classiest, most intimate Super Bowl party I’ve ever been to. It was so classy celebrities were asking to come just so they could have a place to watch out of the general public. Not only that but all of them were super nice. They rented out the whole Seville Row bar restaurant… hell, I don’t even know what it was. It was a private area that is part of the LAX nightclub. Max capacity was only 125 people. Every place to sit was a freaking couch VIP area. Lots of room. Great wait service with an open bar and lots of great food. We even had home-made cupcakes made, and hand-delivered, by Robyn and Taryn of The Food Network’s Cupcake Wars TV show.

I met Roy “Big Country” Nelson from the UFC as well as Greg Hendrick who is the Director of Event Operations for the UFC. I also met Coolio .. yeah.. that one. We were living in Gangsta’s paradise. Roy Nelson joined us at our table for a while as did the girls from Cupcake Wars. Lots of great conversation (and pictures). Oh, and Coolio gave me his cell phone number and the club manager gave me a UFC t-shirt and an autographed Roy Nelson action figure. Yeah, that’s how I roll. Talk about making connections, how is a partnership with the UFC for digital marketing and social media sound? Money, baby. That was only one of many connections that I, and people I know, made.

eBay Motors delivered a first-class Super Bowl experience. I couldn’t have improved it in any way. In my, and other people’s, opinions, they pulled off both the best party of NADA (Vanilla Ice) and the best SuperBowl party of NADA.

After that party, we headed to the DealerTrack party at the XS nightclub. We got there and, swear to God, the line looked like people were at Disneyland waiting to ride Space Mountain. Serious.

That party was OFF THE HOOK. HUGE place, great layout and tons of people. You could party inside or by the pool. Nice. Well played, DealerTrack.

After DealerTrack, it was off to a nice dinner then bed. Brilliant day at NADA.

It was so brilliant, this is what I felt like at the end of the day:

That’s right. The Honey Badger doesn’t care. He takes what he wants.

This year, I’m going to be the Honey Badger.

Stay tuned for more tomorrow! Thanks for reading!

Filed Under: Automotive, Editorial, Industry Events Tagged With: automobile, autotrader, cargigi, convention, coolio, Dealers, DealerTrack, ebay, ebay motors, Education, honey badger, las vegas, motors, Nada, roy nelson, super bowl, ufc

NADA 2012: Day Two Recap

February 5, 2012 By Arnold Tijerina

My goal for yesterday was to make the rounds in the exhibit hall. I started at one end with Robbie Campbell, Manager at Subaru of Puyallup (Harnish Auto Family) and Dan Moore of Smart Web Concepts. Took us 4 hours (yes, it’s that big!) to go down every aisle to do a complete walk-through of the exhibit hall.

I took a lot of pictures but, unfortunately, they are in my bag in Robbie’s room since I didn’t want to lug it around all night BUT, I promise to post them soon.

Caught up with a lot of friends – both in-real-life and virtual – and networked. Swag was awesome. VAuto had the best Id seen so far with this old school phone handset that plugs into your mobile phone. It’s so pimp. A lot of sweet rides. Some of the vendor booths were crazy! You’ll see. Be ready.

After the show, Rob and I headed to the Mandalay Bay for UFC 143 (which was awesome) and then to the eBay Motors party at the LAX nightclub at the Luxor.

OFF. THE. HOOK

Easily the best party of NADA. Seemed like everyone was there, including Vanilla Ice… YES! Ice Ice Baby was in the house and did a set! That’s some ghetto fun stuff right there!

Now that the party is jumping
With the bass kicked in, the Vegas are pumpin’
Quick to the point, to the point no faking
I’m cooking MC’s like a pound of bacon

Yes. Yes. Yeeeeeessssss.

Afterwards, they had pretty much the whole upstairs VIP section with bottle service.  We weren’t worried about the 300 people in line outside trying to get into the club. eBay WAS the Honey Badger last night!

Now to start day 3. More friends, fun and networking as today is the big game! Seems like there are 57 Super Bowl parties.

Which one will be the best? Which one will you be at?

Filed Under: Automotive, Editorial, Industry Events Tagged With: 2012, blog, cars, Dealer, Dealership, Education, las vegas, Nada, Training

NADA 2012: Day One Recap

February 4, 2012 By Arnold Tijerina

Here I am at the National Automobile Dealers Association, yesterday was the first day of the conference. Registration opened at 10am and sessions didn’t start until around noon. I got to connect with a lot of people I hadn’t seen in awhile. It seemed like yesterday was just kind of a “catching up” day for vendors without booths while others were getting booths ready for today.

Today is the “real” kick-off in that the exhibit hall opens and the mass scramble for dealers’ attention begins. There will be more iPads given away in the next few days than I think the Apple store stocks. I’m looking forward to visiting and plan to take a lot of pictures.

It’s a big weekend here. On top of the convention, there is a UFC fight tonight (UFC 143: Diaz vs. Condit) and the SuperBowl. I think there are 37 Super Bowl parties tomorrow.

As a prologue, pre-NADA events have been great. I got to catch up with the VinSolutions team rockstars, hang out with Jeff Collins of Peters Chevrolet CJD, Dan Moore of SmartWebConcepts, Rob Fontano of 3BirdsMarketing. Ended up in a suite which, unbeknownst to me, eventually turned into a reception suite for Car-mercial (part of the DMSC) then transitioned to a fabulous dinner at Il Mulino courtesy of Scott Falcone (super smart and VERY passionate guy) and PrestoReviews, then on to the VinSolutions party afterwards.

Monday morning saw many in-real-life meetings with Twitter friends, industry friends and even some vendors I work with who I had never met, like Mike Fitzpatrick of DealerTrend. Ran into Grant Cardone. Caught Todd Smith (CEO of ActivEngage) session. He’s crazy brilliant. People were asking him questions well into the next session.

Eventually it was off to the Mandalay Bay for some non-conference, non-drinking, non… well, you get the point.. a break. Went to the weigh-ins for UFC 143 and then saw Joe Rogan doing stand-up. Met a TON of fighters (way cool) then called it an early night at 1am (yes, people, that’s an early night at ANY automotive convention but especially NADA).

Getting ready to begin Day 2 of NADA with coverage of the exhibit hall. It may, or may not, be live in the morning but it will be live eventually. Thanks for reading!

Filed Under: Automotive, Editorial, Industry Events, industry trends Tagged With: 2012, Automotive, Dealers, Industry, las vegas, Nada, national automobile dealers association

Buying Reviews and Car Dealerships

January 28, 2012 By Arnold Tijerina

In the last few days, there has been national media coverage of a vendor on Amazon who decided to “stack the deck” and buy reviews. The two articles, one on Gizmodo and one in the New York Times, told the story of a company selling cases for the Kindle Fire on Amazon who included notes in the packages asking for positive reviews from buyers in exchange for a full refund of the purchase price they paid.

Within the automotive industry, there have been (and still are) companies that promise to increase your online reviews and, while they claim the reviews are all genuine, people paying attention can easily dissect the fact that they are not. I wrote an article in June of 2011 that investigated one company, Review Boost, that was suspected of doing just this in which I interviewed the owner.

Most dealers do not participate in or knowingly hire any companies that do this.

One statement in those articles, which was included in the letter to consumers who purchased the Kindle Fire case, caught my attention though.

“We strive to earn 100 percent perfect ‘FIVE-STAR’ scores from you!”

Does this sound familiar?

Most dealerships have a time, usually in their delivery process, in which the customer is “educated” that they will be receiving a survey from the manufacturer and how important it is for the dealership to receive top scores in all areas. Some dealerships even get as detailed as having a copy of the survey with the desired answers highlighted and reviewed with the consumers. I know dealers who ask the customers to fill it out and bring it into  the dealership in exchange for something – a free oil change, t-shirt, etc. Some ask for the survey to be returned blank (which they obviously plan to fill out themselves) and some just ask them to return a completed survey which they can then read and decide for themselves whether to return it or not. I know dealers who will even RDR the car with a different address if there is heat on the deal so that a customer never gets the survey at all.

While this is certainly not identical to the vendor in the articles, in which they offered a refund for the product in exchange for positive reviews, it’s pretty close.

Reviewing a CSI survey with customers when they buy a car is skating a fine-line especially when there’s coaching involved. When you throw in a free oil change or some other incentive, it’s the same thing. Every dealer knows that they aren’t supposed to do this. However, CSI scores can be tied to future incentives from manufacturers so dealers are always under pressure to keep their scores high.

The problem with any of this is that you never get an opportunity to truly improve. You don’t get real feedback on what (or who) is broken in your process. Even though these aren’t “public” reviews and are only viewed by the manufacturer and employees of the dealership, the opportunity for improvement still exists.

You should embrace the opportunity, take your lumps when they come, and do your best to solve the customer’s complaints or criticism with your CSI surveys just as you would with your online public reviews. Even though consumers might not see these when choosing your dealership, making sure that ALL your customers are happy by attempting to solve issues they may have had, whether you received the feedback publicly through an online review or privately through CSI survey feedback, will help you grow as a dealership.

Embrace all reviews, both negative and positive, public or private, and use them as a learning experience and an opportunity to fix broken processes, clean house of cancerous employees, and become a better dealership.

I guarantee that by doing this, you’ll see less negative reviews.

Filed Under: Automotive, Best Practices, Editorial, Management, Reputation Management, Reviews, Sales Tagged With: amazon, gizmodo, new york times, news, reputation management, Review Boost, reviews

Target Gets Robbed via Facebook Promotion

December 13, 2011 By Arnold Tijerina

In yet another example of “promotions gone wrong”, Target just got robbed by it’s Facebook fans and a bunch of thieves opportunists.

Target-Fail

Target had a promotion via its Facebook page for a coupon which gave a customer a $10 gift card for spending $50. The coupon could be printed only via coupon printing software and you could only print it a certain number of times, yet the coupons did not have unique barcodes. (Kinkos anyone?) It was a great deal for Christmas shoppers or even grocery shoppers (via a Super Target) but a bunch of people figured out how to game the system and abuse the promotion.

I became aware of it through SlickDeals, a forum for bargain hunters. As people used and experimented with this coupon, they found that they were able to purchase gift cards and get the corresponding free $10 gift card from the promotion even though the coupon stated that gift card purchases were ineligible. Also, seeing as the coupons were not unique, any photocopier skirted the whole printing limitations from the coupon printing software.

As you can see via this 37 page thread with almost 1500 posts, people found that they could effectively rob Target legally (At least I think its legal. I’m not an attorney.) What they found they could do was this:

They would buy a $50 Target gift card, use the coupon and get a $10 Target gift card free. They would then purchase another $50 Target gift card using the FIRST $50 Target gift card to pay for the SECOND Target gift card, use another coupon and get another $10 Target gift card. (Initial purchase: $50. Profit: $20. etc.) Rinse and repeat. (Since you’re not actually purchasing anything, you’ll always have your initial $50 in the form of a gift card and, since you’re using the gift card to buy more gift cards, each transaction just nets you $10.)

There are a number of people who claim to have netted as much as $5,000 in free Target gift cards off their initial $50 investment. This promotion started November 30, 2011 and ended December 3, 2011.

What was surely as a result of the “resounding success” of the first coupon (probably solely judged by redemption quantity), Target decided to bring back this promotion 4 days later (December 7, 2011 through December 10, 2011). I’m sure someone at the corporate office was so impressed by the results, they wanted to start giving people raises and handing out trophies to stores for having the most “loyal” fans in their area.

By re-starting the promotion, you can see via this second thread which is 51 pages long with over 2000 posts, they effectively green lighted all of the original people who abused the promotion to do it again and also allowed those who missed out on the first opportunity to rob Target to join in the looting. This was a concerted effort by people who conspired to abuse this program on a national level. (Gotta love the internet!)

The thread is addicting to read. It’s like watching a train wreck reality show. It’s hard to believe that someone somewhere connected to Target isn’t watching this. In fact, based on statements made by the Slickdeals moderators, Target was aware (however minimally) of the thread since they asked SlickDeals not to post a PDF or image of the coupon. I’m sure they wanted the web traffic to their website versus to SlickDeals.

The dedication, time and effort invested by some of these people is impressive. I’m also astounded by the apparent lack of training or caring shown by the Target employees who allowed this coupon abuse as well as the failure of store management to recognize that it was happening in the first place. This failure and lack of training is obvious due to the inconsistency of success these people report experiencing. When you have to start disguising yourself, visiting multiple cashiers and you get rejected but still keep trying, an intelligent person would know that they are, at the very least, doing something wrong, even if their conscience hadn’t already told them that earlier.

Oh, and to put further emphasis on the failure of this promotion, many of the looters people, once they had collected as many free gift cards as they desired (or the promotion ended), then took all those free $10 gift cards and proceeded to buy Visa and Amex gift cards with them, thus negating them from even having to spend the free money they stole got from Target at Target. I’m sure other retailers appreciate Target’s monetary infusion into the economy and into their store’s Christmas bottom line. (Hey, I got a bunch of free Target gift cards, let’s go spend them at Wal-Mart!)

In my opinion, this tops the absurdity of the “Kindle Fire Deal That Wasn’t Supposed To Be” post I wrote a few weeks ago, and is another reason why social media promotions must be monitored and measured carefully. Just looking in your computer and seeing how many coupons were redeemed, at least in this case, isn’t an indicator of how effective the campaign was. It was an indicator of how screwed over Target got.

Merry Christmas, Target!

Filed Under: Editorial, Internet, News, Sales, Social Media Tagged With: coupons, gift cards, promotions, slickdeals, Social Media, target

Why locking your DMS is not practical

December 7, 2011 By Arnold Tijerina

There is a lot of discussion surrounding TrueCar and how dealers should not use their services and why they are bad for our industry and dealers in specific. I wrote a blog recently titled “In Defense of TrueCar” that many interpreted as my support for their services.

In reality, the main point of my blog post was that everyone is pointing fingers at TrueCar right now saying how evil they are and how they are using a dealer’s data against them, however, nobody is mentioning the fact that, at some point in time, through some avenue, a dealer allowed their customer and financial data to be extracted and used. Dealers need to accept responsibility for this data being available in the first place. No matter how indirect that permission for data use was gained, ultimately, you allowed it.

My opinion of TrueCar is that they are a marketing and lead source for your inventory. I personally liked the pay-per-sale leads vs. the pay-per-lead pricing model. I don’t blame TrueCar for using your data to drive leads to you. There are many companies that use your data, crawl your website or obtain your financial and customer data and use or resell that data and then use it for their own monetary gain. They spend tons of money on SEO to drive consumers to their website where they convert the lead and resell it to you. There was a conversation about this for awhile too. The fact remains is that they spend the money to do it, are better at it than you and dedicate resources to accomplish this. Even OEMs do this and sell the leads to their dealers. If you want to dedicate the budget, time and resources to do this, you can do it also but don’t blame them for doing something you ultimately both aren’t going to and don’t want to do.

One of the suggestions that has been made is to lock everyone out of your DMS. This is really not a practical option. Many website companies do not have the ability to extract inventory data from your DMS so, ultimately, they outsource the data polling to another company whether you know it or not. In most cases, it’s transparent. There were many times when I was with HomeNet Automotive that a dealer had no idea that we were already polling their DMS on behalf of some vendor or another that they were using. In fact, most vendors do not have the ability to directly poll your DMS so unless you use no 3rd party vendors whatsoever, you really can’t lock your DMS. This includes desking software, pricing software, inventory management, etc.

If you lock everyone out of your DMS, you will have no inventory marketing whatsoever, and that includes having your inventory on your website.

Am I saying you shouldn’t be aware of who is getting your data? Not at all. You should know who is getting it, what they’re getting, and, most importantly, what your agreement with them allows them to do with your data.

It is your responsibility to protect your data through aggressive policing and review of your vendor partner contracts. You need your DMS polled to market your inventory and market to your customers (if you use any service to do this), get deals financed, and have any sort of integration with other software you use and your DMS.

When Reynolds and Reynolds took steps to police and protect dealer DMS data, dealers complained that they should have full control over their data and who gets it. Even in the cases of Reynolds implementing stricter and more difficult ways for a non-Reynolds Certified company to poll the DMS, dealers would allow third parties to create and install workarounds to this or they would manually create and upload the reports to their vendors. Now dealers are complaining that the data is being misused and/or used against them. You can’t have it both ways.

Accept responsibility and choose who gets your data, what they get, and what they are allowed to do with it.

Stop pointing fingers at TrueCar.

Filed Under: Automotive, Editorial, Internet, Marketing, Sales Tagged With: Data, DMS, financial, Internet, Marketing, security, vendors

In Defense of TrueCar

November 30, 2011 By Arnold Tijerina

There’s been a lot of talk about TrueCar lately in automotive industry forums blasting them for their business practices and how “evil” they are. There’s a thread on DealerElite with over 33 PAGES of comments [edit: 50+ pages] in response to Jim Ziegler’s question:

“TRUE CAR and ZAG Cyber Bandits: Parasites or Good for the Car Business?”

..and even a video from Jerry Thibeau of Phone Ninjas who has a very strong opinion:

(Edit: I guess TrueCar didn’t like the video. It appears that they had it removed.)

My experience with HomeNet Automotive (the leading automotive data distribution company now owned by AutoTrader) gave me unique insight from all perspectives: vendors, 3rd party inventory sites and dealers.

Whether you think TrueCar is good or bad for the automotive industry, you have to step back and consider a few things:

(In regards to TrueCar having, and using, a dealer’s sales data) In the early days of inventory marketing, it was the general thought that having your inventory on every 3rd party site possible was a great idea. Most dealers signed up for every 3rd party site they could, especially if it was free. When I was an Internet Director, I signed up for them all also. When I was with HomeNet, I talked to many Dealer Principals that wanted their inventory everywhere. Most never read any “terms and conditions”, they just signed up. Any of these third party sites could have been polling their DMS for not only inventory but sales data and they never would have known. Nothing’s free. It wasn’t until recently that people started questioning the wisdom of shotgunning their data and, even then, it had nothing to do with whether the sites should have it but how it was effecting their SEO efforts and how the sites were using their data to collect leads then selling those leads to the dealer. It had nothing to do with the fact that they HAD the data in the first place.

When HomeNet Automotive integrated TrueCar into their inventory management tool, (IOL Pro), as a rep, I visited many dealers who loved the TrueCar feature and ability to use reports to close deals and research competitor pricing. Only a few even questioned where the data was coming from and in only one case was a dealer actually upset that we (ie. HomeNet) had the sales data at all. The fact remains that this data was given voluntarily by the dealer to hundreds of 3rd party sites, each with their own terms and conditions, and any of which could have been polling their DMS for sales data and, in turn, providing it to TrueCar, Edmonds, AutoTrader, etc. or any of the hundreds of other sites.

(In a now amusing tangent, industry people demonize Reynolds and Reynolds all the time for protecting their data (ie. not allowing unauthorized 3rd party access) and throttling their control over distributing it to just anybody and now these same people are complaining about 3rd parties having the data.)

Now, onto the lead program.. People are complaining that TrueCar leverages the dealer’s data (which the dealers are giving to countless websites already) to provide consumers information on the lowest prices for vehicles, converting the lead and offering it to the dealers on a per sale cost of $300 versus a per lead basis. Why is this so evil?

There are plenty of 3rd party sites that do the same thing with the only difference being that they charge per lead. Hell, even MANUFACTURERS do it. When I was in retail, I used a company with a similar pricing strategy named Autotropolis (since bought by Autobytel for $15 million). I LOVED those leads. I could easily identify a lead from them and factor in the $250 per sale fee into any deal structured or quote given to a consumer. I only paid when I sold a car. It was great. At least on a per sale basis, my cost per sale was fixed. With 3rd party leads, it wasn’t. I hear dealers complain about $900+ costs per sale with their AutoTrader programs yet they still participate. The point is that I was always in control of the sale. If I didn’t want to sell the vehicle at the pricing given to them, I didn’t. It was my choice. The fact is that I would rather have the opportunity to earn the sale than not have it. Why wouldn’t you want a fixed cost per sale on internet leads? 

Dealers have been sending their transactional and inventory data to 3rd parties for YEARS. This isn’t some new phenomenon that’s all of a sudden appearing. Everyone wants to single out TrueCar when, in fact, TrueCar is only ONE OF MANY companies that have their data. Dealers have willingly and happily provided this data to 3rd party sites for YEARS (at least as far back as 2003 to some sites that I personally know of).

To top it all off, dealers and industry professionals have been evangelizing transparency in their sales processes, pricing and interactions with consumers yet it appears that dealers don’t really want transparency, what is wanted is the illusion of transparency.

Bottom line: If you don’t want your data used by a 3rd party, stop giving it to them. I’m not just talking about TrueCar, I’m talking about EVERY 3rd party.

TrueCar is a business that pays for information received from the dealers themselves. Rather than demonizing TrueCar for monetizing the data by providing a service to both consumers (via transparency) and dealers (via sales), don’t participate.

As the saying goes: Don’t hate the player, hate the game.

(Edit: TrueCar is just a scapegoat and convenient target. I don’t necessarily disagree with all of the arguments, just the placing of the blame on TrueCar. Dealers created this, not TrueCar.)

UPDATE 12/1/11: Seems as if my friend Jerry created a new video.

Filed Under: Automotive, Editorial, internet sales, Marketing Tagged With: DealerElite, internet sales, inventory marketing, Jim Ziegler, Sales, TrueCar

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