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The FTC May Have Just Killed Twitter Marketing For Dealers

March 13, 2013 By Arnold Tijerina

Yeah, in the most absurd move ever, the FTC has determined that Twitter is not excluded from regulatory laws requiring full disclosure on products or services. The Wall Street Journal reports that any disclosures that would apply to any other advertising also apply to Twitter.

Hmm. Let’s think about that a moment. On a platform that allows only 140 character submissions, how, exactly, do you tell your followers about a great lease special, factory incentive or other promotion AND include the tiny, almost unreadable, 2 paragraph disclosure in 6 point font at the bottom of the ad? Well, you don’t.

So, what does that prohibit by default? Pretty much anything you want to promote that requires a disclosure and, for most car dealers, that’s just about everything. Heck, most factory incentives have disclosures. Contests, giveaways, or any other promotion (social media or otherwise) as well as coupons, service specials, and other customer offerings would also be excluded.

The easiest way to determine whether you can or can’t tweet something about any special, ad car, incentive, lease special, promotion, coupon, service special, parts special etc. is by following one basic rule:

If it needs a disclosure, you can’t tweet about it.

See, that was simple wasn’t it?

Now, all of the above being said, Facebook’s Terms of Service in regards to contests, promotions and such are violated, trampled over and ignored all of the time by both vendors (who know better) and by dealers (who may or may not).

That being said, Facebook can’t investigate your dealership and fine you for non-compliance with advertising regulations either.

So, has the FTC effectively killed Twitter marketing for businesses?

It depends on what you’re tweeting about.

If your tweets are informative, quality content or customer service and engagement focused then no. If your strategy is to blast your inventory and specials to Twitter on some sort of robotic RSS feed that forces everyone to not listen to you anyways, then yes.

You make the call. It’s your business but the U.S. Government has spoken.

Update 3.14.13

I spoke with Compliance expert Jim Radogna about this issue. He researched the actual FTC ruling & found the relevant passages and, in his opinion, you can still tweet specials, etc. as long as there is a clear link to the disclaimers included in the tweet. While the Wall Street Journal article seemed pretty straightforward, it’s in his opinion that they’re incorrect in their translation of the ruling and how it applies to tweets.

Business Insider reports that the FTC released more information outlining a way that businesses can continue to use Twitter to market without actually needing the disclaimer physically present within the tweet. Just use “Ad:” within the tweet

Filed Under: Internet, Law, Social Media Tagged With: Advertising, Automotive, car dealer, commerce, Disclosure, Ftc, internet sales, law, Marketing, Twitter

Ford Says Consumer Privacy Is Impractical

May 22, 2012 By Arnold Tijerina

In a Yahoo! exclusive article published today, it was reported that Ford has initiated a lawsuit against 13 individual eBay sellers who they accuse of selling fake or counterfeit Ford parts. I’m not arguing the merits of Ford’s lawsuit as it is certainly within their rights to protect their trademarks and copyrights as well as take steps to protect dealer’s profits in the part business but rather to question the bigger issue encompassed by this: an individual’s right to privacy.

The subpoenas for the  lawsuits were granted by the court for Ford to obtain the seller’s identities and information. What is unusual about this is not that they requested it, but what they asked for after that request was granted.

As reported in the article, most ISPs and websites have policies in place that notify users when the company gives out their information for any reason except for that involving criminal activity and which is requested by law enforcement agencies.

In this case, Ford not only requested the user’s information but also asked for their bank account information (which was denied) then went a step further and asked for the court to prohibit eBay and Paypal (an eBay company) from notifying the targeted users that their information was requested and given out.

This move flies in the face of all privacy issues. With the public outcry against the recent legislation effectively designed to skirt privacy issues accompanied by Ford’s strong pro-consumer brand and social media presence, you’d think they would want to steer clear of any controversy in regards to consumer privacy.

“Much of the debate in recent months over online privacy has been spurred by bills in Congress, such as the Stop Online Piracy Act and a new bill, the Cyber Intelligence Sharing and Protection Act, which passed the U.S. House in April. CISPA would let companies and law enforcement agencies broadly share users’ personal information to fight potential threats — including accusations of copyright violations and counterfeit goods — without penalty, trumping any company policy.” writes Justin Hyde in the Yahoo! article.

The reason reported by Ford for this request was:

“Ford respectfully suggests this procedure is impractical and would serve to undermine the rationale for the subpoenas. The procedure would impose a substantial burden on [eBay and PayPal] to prepare, serve and enforce subpoenas and would serve to “tip-off” or warn the Doe defendants of Ford’s investigation. Under the procedure as written, the Does would have notice that Ford was seeking their identities and thus ample time to destroy evidence, the counterfeit and infringing goods, and flee to avoid service all before Ford would be entitled to receive their true identities.”

I understand why they asked the court to do this but just because it’s a good reason doesn’t mean it should outweigh the right to privacy that all citizens enjoy. This is a civil matter, not a criminal one.

Now that one court has issued what I feel is an invasion of privacy, what’s to stop other judges from following suit. I can think of plenty of GOOD reasons for a judge to do this but that doesn’t mean they SHOULD. Where does an ISP or website draw a “line in the sand”? Despite Facebook’s own internal privacy issues, they have, and are still, fighting other companies from requiring or being allowed to access their user’s information and accounts including employer’s requesting pre-employment access, schools requiring students to reveal their Facebook walls to administrators and more.

Being an eBay user for over 14 years and a Paypal user for about 12, I would hope that they would challenge and fight for their user’s right to privacy. It’ll be interesting to see how this plays out and whether any of the companies involved will take a stand for their users.

While Ford may feel that their lawsuit against 13 people succeeding is more important than our rights to privacy, I just find that.. well.. impractical.

Filed Under: Automotive, Editorial, Internet, Law, News Tagged With: Automotive, consumer, ebay, ford, law, Lawsuit, Legal, parts, Paypal, precedent, privacy

Buy Here ‘Cause They Suck

November 2, 2011 By Arnold Tijerina

Most dealerships and businesses in general know that it’s bad practice to bad-mouth your competition. That being said, I know of and have heard plenty of salespeople and managers using their online reviews to help close a deal by comparing them to their competitors online reviews. This practice is similar if not exactly the same. You are leveraging negative comments about your competitor left by other people (who you are representing as real – we all know fake reviews exist) to your positive reviews (you aren’t really showing people any negative reviews about your dealership, are you?) in an effort to “sell” yourself and your dealership. So, while this isn’t talking bad about your competitor directly, it is indirectly, and what you say can now get you in some deep water.

In a precendent setting ruling, an Alabama car dealership has been awarded $7.5 million dollars due to slanderous comments made during a close to consumers by both the salesperson and sales manager. Apparentley, the dealership’s competitor was owned by an Iranian-born but naturalized U.S. citizen. The sales manager told at least one couple while attempting to close a deal that the competitor was “helping fund insurgents there and is also laundering money for them.” The salesperson was also accused of telling the same couple that the dealer was “funneling money back to his family and other terrorists…” and that he has a “brother over there and what you’re doing is helping kill my brother.” It is also reported that the competitor was frequently referred to as “Taliban Toyota”.

The jury awarded the Alabama dealer  $2.5 million in compensatory damages and $5 million in punitive damages after deliberating for 3 hours.

While this is certainly an extreme example, it bears watching where the “line” is. This had more to do with a leveraging of race, stereotypes and bigotry but there’s no telling what future lawsuits outcomes would be utilizing this ruling as precedent.

I find it astonishing that, it appears, the sales manager, at least, is still employed at the dealership based on the statement that neither of them were available for comment per a “dealership spokesman”.

I think there are now 7.5 million reasons to add prohibiting the “bad-mouthing of your competitor” to your employee handbook. 

Filed Under: Automotive, Law, Management, News Tagged With: Compliance, Lawsuit, Legal

NLRB determines dealership did not break laws in Facebook firing

October 17, 2011 By Arnold Tijerina

In a follow up to my breaking news story about the BMW dealership in Chicago, according to the Chicago Tribune, the National Labor Relations Board has determined that while the employee’s Facebook posts concerning the quality of food and beverages offered to customers at the dealership during a sales event was protected activity, the dealership did not break laws by terminating the employee because he also posted pictures of the accident which took place at a neighboring dealership that belonged to the same company.

The NLRB determination reinforces that you need to be careful when determining disciplinary action when it relates to social media posts by employees as I outlined in a subsequent article. The posts about the sales event, being considered protected activity, means that had the employee not also posted the pictures of the accident (which was not protected activity), the dealership would have lost this decision and been held accountable for fines, back-pay and other disciplinary actions.

(Originally published October 17, 2011 on Dealer magazine)

Filed Under: Dealer magazine, Law, Social Media Tagged With: dealer magazine, Legal, Social Media

Facebook Firings Cost Employer $200,000+

September 19, 2011 By Arnold Tijerina

I’ve been following closely, and reporting on, the recent uptick in activity being taken by the National Labor Relations Board in pursuing complaints related to employee terminations due to social media use. All of the previous articles, including thebreaking news story I wrote regarding a BMW dealership who fired an employee due to Facebook posts, were only complaints that the NLRB were pursuing, but no decisions had been made by a judge. All of the similar previous cases had been settled so no precedents existed.

That’s all changed now.

In a press release from the NLRB dated Sept, 7, 2011, it reported that an Administrative Law Judge has ruled in favor of the five plaintiffs who were discharged by their employer over Facebook posts in which they complained about their employer and co-worker stating that the posts were “protected concerted activity.” In the ruling, the judge ordered the company to immediately reinstate all five employees and back pay all five workers – in full – with interest compounded daily, including compensation for all lost benefits.

These employees were “domestic violence advocates.” The average salary for this position is $41,000 according to SimplyHired.com. Using that figure, the employer had to pay just short of $188,000 not including interest and lost benefits, which easily equates to over $200,000.

As I reported, there are many similar cases still pending, including the one involving the BMW dealership.

This ruling is precedent setting and will with no doubt effect the other pending cases as well as any future complaints.

It is now more important than ever that your dealership immediately institute an appropriate social media policy that is specific and that excludes protected activities or review the one you already have to insure compliance with the suggestions made by the NLRB in their earlier issued report.

(Originally published September 14, 2011 on Dealer magazine)

Filed Under: Dealer magazine, Law, Social Media

What Does The Government Think About Your Social Media Policy?

September 9, 2011 By Arnold Tijerina

Back in June, I broke news on a case that involved a BMW dealership firing a salesperson for posting critical comments about the dealership and pictures of an accident that occurred on a nearby dealership’s lot (that happened to be owned by the same people).

Due to the huge increase in social media use by the general population as a form of communication, The National Labor Relation Board is aggressively going after companies that terminate employees for issues in regards to social media use. Until now, there seemed to be no rhyme or reason to which cases they were supporting and which they weren’t. The information was there, but unless you were actively seeking these cases, chances are you wouldn’t find them.

In an effort to coordinate the prosecution of cases involving social media, Anne Purcell, Associate General Counsel for the National Labor Relations Board, wrote and released a 24 page report on August 18, 2011 summarizing cases involving social media and explaining why they have chosen to prosecute (or not) these cases. In doing so, they’ve given insight into what you can and can’t do as an employer including what they believe your social media policy should (or shouldn’t) say.

Keep in mind that this is a summary of the cases and issues that they’ve determined merit prosecution. While some of the cases have been settled, many of these cases have trials pending. In no way are these laws or precedents…yet. However, in knowing what they do and don’t consider valid complaints, it can help any employer construct a more solid social media policy that would, at the very least, withstand the scrutiny of the National Labor Relations Board. It also gives insight into what, if any, disciplinary action you can take against an employee in regards to social media use.

In summary, based on the collective summaries of the cases, here are some guidelines I’ve extrapolated from the report for your social media policies and disciplinary considerations:

They’re huge on protected concerted activity. Employees can discuss and criticize their employer, supervisors and co-workers as long as they don’t stand alone in their criticisms. Your employees can call you a “scumbag”, an “a-hole”, a “super mega puta” or whatever else as long as they have co-workers that share their opinion. They have the right to discuss working conditions and their employer anywhere, including via social media. The keyword here is that it must be a discussion. Personal gripes don’t count.

You can’t have overly-broad social media policies. Things you can’t include in your social media policies:

  1. Prohibit employees from making negative comments about the company, their supervisors or their co-workers.
  2. Posting pictures of themselves which depict the company in any way (ie. in uniform, on the job, etc.)
  3. Prohibit them from using inappropriate, offensive or rude language in regards to a coworker, the company, or a customer.
  4. Prohibit inappropriate discussions via blogs.
  5. Prohibit employees from discussing company business on their own time on their personal accounts.
  6. Prohibit employees from disclosing inappropriate or sensitive information about the company.
  7. Prohibit employees from posting pictures or comments involving the company or its employees that would be considered inappropriate.
  8. Prohibit employees from using the company name, address, or other company information on their personal profiles.
  9. Prohibit employees from using the company’s logo or photographs of the company’s store.

How many of these does your company have in its social media policy?

I bet quite a few. You’re probably thinking “Holy Cow” about now. Seems as if employees can do anything they want! That’s not true. What IS true is this: these company’s social media policies (when they had them) contained restrictions that were overly broad and encompassing. Employees have a right to bitch about their workplace, bosses and company, whether it’s aloud or via any type of social media, including Facebook, Twitter or blogging. It doesn’t matter whether you have an “At-Will Employment Agreement”.

So how do you restrict your employee’s social media use through policy without it being considered overly-broad? I mean, come on, you can’t account for EVERY possible situation in a written policy.

The answer is actually quite simple. Your policy is overly broad and/or unlawful if it does not contain verbiage that excludes protected concerted activity as defined by Sections 7 and 8 of the National Labor Relations Act. Simply putting a phrase similar to that into your social media policy should protect you in most instances (unless, of course, the activity IS protected).

In addition, when considering whether you can or can’t terminate an employee because of something they posted on social media, you need to ask yourself these questions:

  1. Is this comment posted relating to any form of work conditions?
  2. Is it a shared opinion and/or being discussed with fellow co-workers?

If the answer is yes, I would think twice before disciplining the employee. If the answer is no, you’re probably safe.

This has nothing to do with free speech. It has everything to do with creating policies that would INCLUDE protected concerted activities. To make it short (and provide an example of their reasoning), you can’t tell an employee they can’t post photos or use the company logo on social media without permission because that would include prohibiting the employees from posting photos of them on a picket line in front of your dealership. You can’t simply tell them they cannot talk about the company via social media because that would prohibit them from lawfully discussing working conditions with their co-workers.

Moral of the story: If you’re an employer, make sure your policy excludes protected activity. If you’re an employee, make sure your co-workers agree with you (and chime in).

Disclaimer: The author of this post is not an attorney and in no way should this be considered legal advice.

(Originally published on Dealer magazine)

Filed Under: Dealer magazine, Law, Social Media Tagged With: Legal, news, policy, Social Media

Dealers In California May Be Forced To Change The Way Salespeople Are Paid

July 29, 2011 By Arnold Tijerina

In a class action lawsuit filed on June 21, 2011 against AutoNation (Santa Clara Superior Court, entitled Lilly v. AutoNation, Case No. 1-11-CV-203569), attorneys are claiming that AutoNation is in violation of the California Labor Code by misclassifying commissioned sales reps as exempt from overtime and, in addition, issuing deduct vouchers post-sale for losses in commissionable gross due to repair or service costs incurred.


It’s standard practice in California to consider minimum wage as a “draw” against commissions. This hourly wage is only paid if the salesperson’s commissions for any pay period are less than commissions earned (ie. they would get the higher of the two amounts – commissions or hourly wages). Many dealers “settle up” at month end with the salespeople meaning the view the commissions/hourly wages on a monthly basis (versus a pay period). California labor law mandates that overtime be paid for any hours over 8 in a DAY, not by 40 hours in a week. (ie. If I worked 12 hours the whole week but all in one day, I would be due 4 hours overtime even though I only worked one day that week.)

We all know that salespeople work A LOT especially hungry ones. Many salespeople who aren’t making a ton of commissions will make sure they work a lot of hours to insure that they get a decent check in the first place. Of course a salesperson that is getting paid hourly too many times has a short lifespan within a dealership.

Now onto the deduct vouchers. Dealers in California pay commissions in one of two ways: upon approval, or upon funding. Most dealers pay upon approval. This is designed so that salespeople don’t have to wait forever to earn their paychecks and dealers don’t have to cough up minimum wage while the salesperson has unpaid commission vouchers pending funding. It’s also pretty common that grosses decrease post-sale for many reasons: a dealer has trouble with funding and/or has multiple approvals, spot-deliveries based solely upon credit, repairs and due bills completed post-sale, unforeseen bank fees, option contracts cashed in, back-end product cancellations, etc.

Typically, since vouchers are issued upon approval, those vouchers are issued based upon the gross at the time of delivery and/or approval and included in the salesperson’s check for the next pay period. If dealers cannot issue deduct vouchers for loss in gross, this will force dealers to restructure pay plans as something that was spot-delivered with a high front-end gross that gets cut back due to financing issues or any of the other reasons mentioned above, could go from a nice voucher for the salesperson to a mini. If the dealer continued to pay in the way that they are now, and could not issue deduct vouchers, they would risk losing money by issuing commission vouchers prematurely.

Then you have to consider that a sales manager would be forced to structure the deal differently taking into consideration potential cut-backs to take into account the future inability to issue a voucher. The only way to structure a new pay plan without risk to the dealer would be to issue the voucher upon funding which would open the dealer up to the possibility of having to pay the salesperson hourly wages (including overtime), while the salesperson had unissued commission vouchers pending funding. A salesperson who knew how to game the system and/or a passive F&I manager could further complicate things while awaiting stipulations from the customer.

In any case, dealers in California need to watch this pending litigation carefully as it could have a great impact on how they compensate their sales staff and, if the lawsuit is successful, would open up ALL dealers in California to future lawsuits for the same reason.

Right now, AutoNation is the only target, but your dealership could be next.

(Originally published July 22, 2011 on Dealer magazine)

Filed Under: Dealer magazine, Law Tagged With: dealer magazine, Legal

The Ethics of Online Reviews

June 29, 2011 By Arnold Tijerina

This article started as an investigation into a company providing services to the automotive industry,Review Boost. I didn’t know much about the company, only that it had received some negative press and accusations of gaming online reviews. In fact, it even had a local San Antonio television station, KSAT, run a news segment regarding a dealership who used their services. There have been blog articles written questioning the authenticity of the reviews as well as articles written in both Automotive News and F&I Magazine.

The importance of reputation management has been increasingly on dealers’ minds, being, from the dealers I spoke with and interviewed for DrivingSalesTV, the hot topic of this year’s NADA convention. The FTC is cracking down on companies engaging in posting misleading reviews, legislators are pushing for stricter laws regarding this practice, legal advisors are reporting that a company exposes themselves tolegal risks by engaging in this act, and a California law went into effect Jan 1, 2011 making it a criminal activity. Add to these variables the fact that search engines are starting to increase the importance of online reviews in their algorithms and incorporating them into search results, naturally, when they popped up on my radar again after partnering up with an industry vendor, I was curious as to why the partnership happened and I started asking questions and doing some homework.

[Edit: After sharing my article with representatives from Review Boost, they informed me that they decided not to move forward with the partnership I referred to above.]

I spoke with William, the owner of Review Boost, at length. We spoke for upwards of an hour and he walked me through what his company does. First, to be clear, they deny all accusations of gaming reviews and/or writing the reviews themselves. William was very pleasant, if understandably nervous during our conversation but, in my opinion, sincerely wanted to clear the air regarding what his company does. Without revealing too many of his proprietary practices, which he shared with me, I didn’t get the impression that he is doing anything wrong at all. Now, given that there were already a ton of articles investigating and breaking down why other people feel that they are, I didn’t feel the need to rehash what others have already done and I wanted to give them the benefit of the doubt.

See, William isn’t in the car business. Review Boost began assisting local businesses like dentists, doctors, and such. It ended up that dealers account for about 30% of their current client base but this wasn’t by design. The crux of their strategy, which is what surprised me the most, is that they administer a website called myreviewboost.com in which they post reviews collected from clients of their dealers. These reviews are then syndicated across about 40 online review directories through partnerships with them. I was surprised that such a syndication was allowed but I did some investigating and, not only is it allowed, but it is encouraged. Judysbook.com, in example, promotes review sharing partnerships openly.

I reached out to Google themselves. The fact that they syndicate reviews is telling about their policies but they did point out within their Review Posting Guidelines that conflicts of interest, including misrepresentation and/or posting reviews on behalf of others is not allowed.

In essence, William’s company is soliciting reviews only from the customers which the dealer provides contact information to them. They do not edit the reviews – whether positive or negative. They will moderate a negative review, if received, allowing the dealer a chance to resolve the problem and then, when the dealer reports that the problem has been resolved, resurveying the customer to get an updated review. In my mind, this absolutely explains why almost every review is positive.

If I were a dealer who needed to increase my online reputation, I certainly wouldn’t hand over an unhappy customer’s e-mail address to be reviewed. In fact, I know many dealers that will occassionally RDR cars to the factory with incorrect information to avoid a potential negative CSI survey and/or “buy” surveys from their customers through offers of free oil changes or something to encourage their consumers to return the surveys to THEM and not mail them in to their OEM unscreened.

William’s strategy made perfect sense to me and the syndication accounted for the reason for the same review appearing on multiple sites. So while this practice may be viewed by some to be unethical, it’s not illegal or in violation of these directories terms of service. They’re simply taking advantage of existing online directories willingness to crawl their review site to maximize the SEO value of each review they collected from their client’s customers.

So, is this article about Review Boost? No. The real story is what is ethical in the online reputation management arena.

I’m sure that we would all agree that posting fake reviews is unethical and, in some cases, illegal.

What about these practices?

Posting REAL reviews, verbatim, by your customers on their behalf with their permission.

Screening WHO gets reviewed to avoid negative reviews.

Choosing which reviews get displayed (ie. avoiding sites in which negative reviews exist)

The fact is that online reputation management, and the process in which dealers are utilizing, are becoming more and more important for the many reasons I described above.

How do you feel about this? What’s ethical or unethical regarding online reputation management?

(Originally published on DrivingSales)

Filed Under: Drivingsales, Internet, Law Tagged With: drivingsales, reputation management, reviews

If You Could Only Make Front-End Profit, Could You Stay In Business?

June 12, 2011 By Arnold Tijerina

(Originally published on Dealer magazine)




You may be forced to find out.


How many less cars would you sell if you couldn’t spot deliver cars?


What if you couldn’t add negative equity into a transaction?


What if you couldn’t make any reserve money on the financing?


What if the mark-up on back-end products was regulated?


On July 21, 2010, President Obama signed the Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act (Dodd-Frank Act). This legislation gave the Federal Trade Commission the authorization to regulate, in essence, how car dealers do business by defining “unfair or deceptive acts or practices by motor vehicle dealers.”  It seems now the FTC is moving towards defining, and enforcing this.


On March 15, 2011, the FTC announced the start of a series of public round roundtables in which they are seeking “data and empirical evidence” to begin deciding in what way, and how, to regulate car dealers.


The question isn’t whether they will, it is in what way. The FTC is a consumer protection organization. “Unfair and Deceptive” are certainly subjective terms which mean different things to car dealers than they do to consumers.


In the roundtables, some of the questions they want feedback, data and evidence on are very telling on how they view the practices of dealers. The mere fact that they are asking the questions at all leads me to believe that they already have some idea of the answer and just want confirmation (or the opposite) of their views.


So let’s go on a jaunt holding hands with the FTC while they explore, and decide, the fate of your store’s profit.


Q: Do motor vehicle dealers engage in “yo-yo financing”?


This question is obviously talking about spot-delivering customers and then having to re-write them. The definition they use in the footnotes defining “yo-yo financing” pretty much alludes that dealers intentionally do this and focuses on instances in which the actual secured financing increases interest rates and/or elevates monthly payments. If the FTC is asking whether consumers believe this is an unfair or deceptive practice, someone believes it is. If the FTC decides to regulate rewrites, which is the natural solution in protecting the consumer, the response by a dealer will have to be to cease spot deliveries. It’s hard to believe that they will prevent dealers from offering consumers more favorable terms after delivery so my guess is that regulation would be limited to instances in which terms are less favorable.  What’s less favorable though? The question focuses on two components: higher interest rates and higher monthly payments. There are many facets of any deal that could cause either of these things to occur. Shortening the term of the loan would increase monthly payments. Will that be considered “unfair and deceptive”? I’m sure you can see how their definition immediately impacts how, and to whom, you spot deliver a car (or if you do at all). This changes how you desk a deal even. If you know that you can’t spot deliver a vehicle unless you can pretty much guarantee that you won’t have to re-write them unless the terms are more favorable to them, you are forced to offer WORSE deals up front, in the box. This just makes deals harder to close. How many sales would you lose from customers that cool off between the time you would have spot delivered them and the time you actually get an approval and are able to complete the delivery?


Q: Do finance companies provide incentives or payments to motor vehicle dealers in exchange for consumers receiving more expensive credit? Do motor vehicle dealers charge interest rate markups..for credit or leases about which consumers are unaware?


Yes. It’s called reserve and, apparently it’s being considered as an unfair or deceptive practice. I highly doubt most consumers are aware that dealer-secured financing isn’t always at the “buy-rate” and that dealerships can make money by marking up the interest rate. Sure, we can justify it a lot of ways but the bottom line is that if consumers believe it’s unfair, and the FTC agrees, dealers could lose the ability to make reserve. How does this affect how you sell a car, work a deal, or determine the selling price discount you would offer to a customer?


Q: Is substantial negative equity from a prior purchase, or money owed on a prior lease, frequently rolled into consumers’ next vehicle purchases or leases?


I highly doubt that the FTC will remove a dealer’s ability to roll negative equity for several reasons: banks already monitor and regulate loan-to-value and limit the amount of negative equity they will accept. What I do think could happen though is that the FTC could limit theamount of negative equity a person could roll into a new loan or lease regardless of the purchase price, loan structure or bank criteria. What if the maximum you could roll into a deal is $5000? $4000? Does it make a difference in how much your car costs? Will some makes get an advantage over others if the amount is regulated (versus a percentage)? How they choose to do this and/or determine this will absolutely effect how a deal is structured and/or if it happens at all.


Q: Do motor vehicle dealers engage in credit or lease packing, such as by including amounts for credit insurance, guaranteed automobile protection (GAP) or other add-ons into payment amounts?


I thought this was addressed by the single document rules but, apparently, the FTC is investigating this as well. They also want to investigate and consider the mark-ups allowed on these products thus limiting the price at which you could sell them. What’s a fair markup? Do you think your answer would match a consumer’s answer to that question?


These are just four of the 14 questions (each of which have multiple parts) that the FTC will be considering at the roundtables. I actually counted each question and sub question being considered and there are 72 questions that encompass a huge range of topics including: discriminatory financing offers on the dealer level, financing military personnel, paying off liens or trade-ins, the use of GPS devices on financed vehicles, vehicle auction houses, and more.


The first roundtable is scheduled for April 12, 2011 in Detroit, MI. They say there will be a total of 4 roundtables disbursed around the country but the other ones haven’t been announced yet. Given the chance, I’d love to be a part of one of those roundtables as a fly-on-the-wall.


To read the whole text of the announcement and all the questions that will be posed to the public, visit this link. Just the URL name alone (that’s not anywhere in the document) should give you an idea where this is headed: AutoTaskForce

Filed Under: Dealer magazine, Law Tagged With: dealer magazine, Legal

The Case Of The $30 Million Rims

June 11, 2011 By Arnold Tijerina

(Originally published at Dealer magazine)




Last week, a California Court of Appeals judge determined that a dealer violated several California state laws and ruled in favor of the plaintiff in a class-action lawsuit that will have huge ramifications for dealers within the state. The ruling was the result of some poor decisions from start to finish. Ultimately, this ruling will allow 1,500 car buyers the right to have their purchase contracts rescinded, which is estimated to potentially cost the dealership upwards of $30 million.


The story began in 2004 when Reginald Nelson purchased a vehicle from Pearson Ford (now Kearny Pearson Ford) in San Diego, CA. The car cost $9,995 and was spot-delivered without financing being secured. The customer also did not have existing auto insurance, so a binder was purchased for $250. This was added to the purchase price of the vehicle as well as some rims that were promised the customer. The insurance binder was on a “due bill,” but it is unclear whether the rims were. (My guess is that the rims were initially on a due bill but, once the approval came through, either the profit was reduced or the structure didn’t meet the approval’s financing restrictions. So, to keep the car on the road, the rims were taken out of the deal.) Six days later, the dealership contacted Reginald asking him to return to the dealership to fill out more paperwork. The paperwork reflected a change in the financing terms per the actual approval received by the dealership and was dated the date the vehicle was spot-delivered. Mr. Nelson signed the new contracts.


In interviews with Mr. Nelson, he says that he repeatedly tried to get the rims he was promised by the dealership but the dealership would not give them to him. Eventually, this led Mr. Nelson to contact an attorney. Unfortunately for the dealer, he contacted Hal Rosner, a consumer-advocate and auto law expert attorney specializing in automobile transactions and dealerships.


Mr. Rosner immediately identified several things that the dealership did that were not in compliance with state laws:


1. The second contract was backdated to the date Mr. Nelson took delivery of the vehicle, not the date in which he signed the new contract.


2. The insurance binder was added to the price of the vehicle, not itemized separately on the contract.


Both of these are violations of the state’s one document rule. Through discovery, Mr. Rosner was able to determine that these violations had occurred many times at this dealership. The 1,500 occurrences that Pearson Ford manipulated were all illegal. “That’s more than once a day for five years that they’re telling people, ‘We gave you the wrong financials,’”said Rosner. “That’s hardly an accident.” Rosner was able to get the lawsuit converted into a class-action in March 2007.


Prior to the class-action trial, Pearson Ford made a settlement offer of $500,000 which was accepted. After the settlement was approved, both sides asked for their attorney’s fees to be paid by the opposing party. The trial court awarded attorney’s fees to Mr. Nelson and denied them to Pearson Ford. Upon further review, the judgment was vacated and trial moved forward.


The initial trial court found no violation save for a “technical violation” and awarded restitution in the amount of $50 per class member ($75,000). Both parties disagreed with the ruling (for different reasons) and it was taken to the California State Court of Appeals. 


The California State Court of Appeals found that both actions described above were, in fact, violations of the Automomobile Sales Finance Act, the Unfair Competition Law and the Consumers Legal Remedies Act by backdating the contract and including the insurance in the cost of the vehicle, effectively costing Mr. Nelson an additional $27 in interest plus the sales tax on the $250 insurance binder wrapped into the vehicle purchase price (then approximately $19). This ruling effectively will give the 1,500 class members the right to have their contracts rescinded.


Keep in mind that these contracts are at least 7 years old, some much older. Assuming some of these vehicles were used at the time of purchase, this dealership will have to buy back contracts IN FULL for vehicles that could be 10+ years old.


I personally know that the practice of backdating contracts is common in Cailfornia, as is wrapping in insurance into the purchase price. In the past 3 years or so, dealers have slowly been changing those practices, but this ruling sets a dangerous precedent. I’m sure there are plenty of civil attorneys itching to get their hands on a consumer with a backdated contract right now.


This story started as a credit challenged consumer, with no car insurance, that wanted some rims for the 1998 Infiniti I30 that he bought from the dealer. This vehicle was already 6 years old when he purchased it. Had the dealer honored their promise to the consumer and given him his rims, legal action probably would never have happened. Once legal action happened, the dealer argued against paying the plaintiff’s attorney’s fees on top of an accepted settlement offer.


Those rims and $46 ultimately put the dealership on the hook for an estimated $30 million.


Those have got to be the most expensive rims in history.


Click here for ABC news 10 story: Pearson Ford Ordered to Buy Back Over 1,500 Vehicles


Click here for a  Copy of Appeal Court Ruling

Filed Under: Dealer magazine, Law Tagged With: Compliance, dealer magazine, Legal

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